Jan Vide – Offensive Scouting Report (U16 Challengers)

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Nationality: Slovenia | Team: Real Madrid | Birthday: 15/01/2005 | Height: 6’5”

Introduction

Jan Vide, 6’5” creator on Slovenia’s U16 team, had a magnificent offensive display at the recent U16 challengers cup. He showcased prolific shot creation and the ability to play as a heliocentric creator in a like-aged competition. His statline for the tournament was pretty eye-popping with 27 PPG, 4.2 AST, 5.6 REB with an FG % of 43 %, a 3P% of 25 % and a FT % of 78 %. The biggest story was probably the fact that he averaged 12.6 FTA per game. When we take away the last game against the Czech Republic (Slovenia already was qualified for the world cup and Vide only played 13 minutes without contributing like he did before), his boxscore stats are even more ridiculous.

Why an offense-only scouting report? First, it turned out to be long enough just to lay out this part of the game. I like to use clip heavy analysis with some rather detailed descriptions, which better suits the approach I took here. Second, his defensive contribution was hurt a bit by his enormous offensive load, and I didn’t want to criticize him for that in this case, and we only had a four game sample here.

Ballhandling

There is already some wiggle to his ball handling. I like his ankle flexibility and shin angle when he drives because it allows gaining momentum for quick first and second steps. Stylistically, he is comfortable keeping the ball inside his body and has enough control and level of comfort to keep it here. For hesitations, he likes to bring it outside his body, a little wider than shoulder width. He also plays with head fakes too and in general a good timing with his moves.

It takes a high level of comfort to keep the ball in this situation. He really likes the cat and mouse game against traps and hard hedges and excels in it.

Picking Vide up fullcourt and staying home with the rest of the time was a brave decision. As soon as he had a foot in the paint, the defense totally collapsed and Vide had the choice between his floater and finding the open player under the rim.

Pick And Roll Creation

Turkey was in an over and show here, high up the court, and did a decent job getting back to the ball handler here. Vide sniffed out the forward momentum of his defender, showed incredible spatial awareness and deceleration ability to get into a clean footwork for the layup.

Here, Vide kept the drop big honest with the slight hesitation just to attack him and get into a beautiful gather for the floater off two feet.

With his defender trailing, he quickly read the hedge by the big. Really tight crossover here right in front of the defender foot to split the defense. Finished, of course, with a smooth floater.

In this situation, his aggressiveness backfired and ended in a blocked shot. I would expect him to do a better job here in a different team context where defending in a zone will be punished, at least to an extent, and he isn’t expected to create on every possession he is on the floor.

He already plays at his own pace and doesn’t really look rushed with the ball in hand. In this play, he even created two open corner threes because the defense is more worried about his floater.

Even going to his left with his left hand, he is comfortable splitting the defense, like in the before mentioned clip. He is excellent at reading the help defense in those situations and make a split second decision between retreating and attacking the top foot of the hedge defender.

Vide leads his man into the screen, recognizes the drop and executes a beauty of a one footed floater from the free throw line.

Rim Pressure

One of the few off ball set plays Slovenia ran for Vide. He gets a down screen to create a small advantage when catching the ball. Depending on how the defense reacts, the screener will be open for a layup because the defense overreacts to Vide as a scoring threat. In this case, the defense did a decent job taking away this option, but Vide is able to counter the defender with a step through.

I really love this one. He couldn’t create a decent shot at first, but had a pretty good plan B for this situation. With the give and go, he creates a runway for himself to catch the ball in front of the defender and get into an open layup.

This is the typical reaction Vide created on his drives. Most of the time, at least four defenders are focused on him when he gets into the paint. I really like the foot drag to decelerate before the finish.

Even at this early stage of development, JV is a pretty advanced ball handler who prefers to use change of pace, hang dribbles, in ‘n’ out’s and occasional between the legs dribbles to get his defender where he wants him to be. On top of this, he looks like a very talented foul drawer and had tons of and one finishes in the tournament. 

Belgium really tried to defend in a man to man scheme at first. Slovenia did a good job of creating almost a five out scheme here to let him work against his defender, who didn’t stand a chance as soon as Slovenia created an empty side on him. I appreciate the off ball movement from the offense here to totally catch the defense off guard.

Transition

Per InStat, Vide had 24 transition possessions as a scorer and finished nearly 46 % of them with a floater, with 1.45 points per play. When you look at the film, you clearly understand why he was this good.

Absorbing contact (maybe a bit of shoving from him), decelerating and finishing with a same hand, same foot floater. He could’ve easily just finished with a normal layup here, especially with that footwork pattern and everything.

This is just for further evidence of Vide being a floater artist.

Despite not being a knock down shooter, he keeps the defense honest with his aggressiveness and overall volume, which leads to the defender biting on the small hesitation at the three point line. Comfortable driving and finishing with his left here.

I already mentioned his rather tight, inside his body ball handle. In open court, he is really comfortable with very wide hesitations to get the defender into reaching in, which causes some turnovers, but was overall pretty effective. Of course finishing the and one floater.

It’s mind-boggling why teams don’t constantly run back against the fast-paced Slovenians. This is just a nutty finish by Vide. In another context, I would trust him to make the best play available, which normally isn’t him jumping into two guys and hitting this crazy shot.

Shooting

Vide’s level of aggressiveness was a great sign for future development. He wasn’t shy of taking a lot of ambitious shots despite mixed results efficency wise.

There is a lot to like, but some question marks in regard to his shooting mechanics. Let’s take a deep dive from the bottom to the top. Vide is a 1-2 only shooter at the moment. 1-2 describes the preferred footwork pattern, and we differ between a 1-2 and a hop with both feet. I like the slight dip after the catch for rhythm purposes. It’s important to make every shot replicable and the dip helps with in my opinion because the shot doesn’t change just because you didn’t catch the ball at the right point. From what I know, the best process is to time the bottom of the dip with your foot plant for an efficient energy transfer, better balance and rhythm. Vide is going into the shooting motion, before the right foot here is planted, this causes off balance behavior (especially off movement or off the dribble). His shot is a bit segmented into two motions because he starts his leg extension just as the ball reaches the set point and stays there for a bit. In the grand context of things, what does this mean for Jan Vide? We have a higher chance of imbalance and not an ideal lower body part of the shot in terms of energy transfer because of his timing, paired with a slightly segmented upper part because of the two-motion approach, which also is likely to impact his energy transfer rather negative.

Here, we have a mix of forward momentum, and the problems described above leading into the shot just being short. Being a good shooter is a lot about details, but Vide has a pretty good baseline as a shooter going forward.

This sequence was pretty intriguing. The shot comes easy for him, and he looks really comfortable shooting off the dribble. For right-handed players, it’s easier to go left/dribble with the left before getting into the shot. The body alignment is already ideal, the hip turned to the basket with the feet slightly turned just by going into that direction.

Seeing this go down in game is a pretty good datapoint for his further development. The shot looked more fluid with a slightly better energy transfer in comparison with his shooting with forward momentum.

Off the dribble pull up three going left. What’s different here? He used the hop instead of the 1-2 going into the shot. For me, the hop allows more flexibility in shot preparation and is in general better suited for a variety of situations. This way, you just have to learn to get one pattern down, rather than left-right/right-left coming off different angles.

Hard foot plant on the hop, starting the shot at eye level. I said before, that I advocate dipping the ball. In midrange, it’s way easier to hit shots hanging in the air, starting and finishing the shot high. Energy transfer isn’t nearly as important because of the reduced range in comparison to shooting a three pointer. Because of this, the dip isn’t really suited here for most situations.

Pull-up shooting going right is far more difficult for right-handed players. This shot looked really smooth, so let’s dive into it a bit.
Hang dribble with the right hand, going into the shot – the so called “T-Mac”. Ball is already on the right side of his body, he brings his guide hand over, which I really like. This allows for a right sided shot line, going straight up. A lot of players now begin the shot on the left side of the body, going up and over to the right or middle part, which adds unnecessary sideways movement in my opinion. His guide hand is on the side of the ball, allowing a clean release without thumbing the ball (which isn’t bad, it just doesn’t suit the style of a lot of players in my opinion). He used a slight midair turn to get better alignment, which is understandably from a right-handed player driving right.

What I immanently noticed was his late and only slight wrist bend. The wrist occurs to bend right before hitting his set point, but the overall movement is quite smooth and the two-motion pattern doesn’t really hurt from the free throw line anyway. The angle doesn’t allow a clear view on his guide hand.

Here is an angle where you can see his guide hand. You can see a slight involvement from it in the shot itself. The guide hand doesn’t stay at the release point, but sways forward with the shooting hand extending. This could lead to some unwanted involvement from the shooting hand, which isn’t really a problem in most cases, but something to note when it comes to analyzing his mechanics. Even thumbing the ball isn’t as bad as people thought a few years ago, and we see some excellent shooters doing it on a regular. With Vide, I can’t see any negative effects of his overall mechanic in his free throws.

On this stepback three, I was confused about the pickup. Left-handed between the legs dribble, going directly into the stepback. This time, he took the ball to his guide hand, and started the motion with a left sided bias. This seem rather uncommon in comparison to his typical approach.

You can’t average nearly 20 FGA’s per game without taking some ill-advised shots. Most of them came from inside the three point line and are either easy to replace or probably not going to happen in the club level, where most of his development will take place. At Real Madrid, he plays next to some wonderful prospects and I think that his aggressiveness on these shots will turn into more gravity passes (situations where the defense commits great attention on him and over commits, which frees up his teammates).

There is a decent amount of space creation from his turnaround and one legged fadeaway. I really like the coordination and touch required to pull this kind of shots off on a regular, but Vide does it look like it’s easy.

The amount of defensive attention he receives on plays like this is bonkers. You can criticize him for not passing it under the rim or out in the corner, but time and time again he was able to pull these things off against a set defense and while getting massive attention.

I’m really interested how long he will be able to create and hit shots like this one. With better on ball defenders against him, it will be much tougher to create an opening like that. Efficiency wise, it could backfire pretty quick against pro level competition, but Vide still has time and opportunity to develop.

As an off ball shooter, he has some room for improvement, too. Initially, he was pretty open, but had to set his feet after the catch to get into a shot. Similar details as in the earlier analysis here. The dip is still not timed with the foot plant, the shot still segmented, which overall leads to not the best energy transfer and a short miss in this case.

Another really smooth turnaround shot over the outstretched hands of a defender.

On this shot, it felt like he knew that he had to load more into the shot because of the distance/missing strength or some other reason. The whole process looks comfortable and smooth, and I’m confident that he can develop into an excellent shooter in time.

This tournament really looked like his personal lab to get in game repetitions in different shot creation types. This is another “good” miss in my opinion, short, not left or right and the process getting into the shot was pretty solid.

Creation For Others

Overall, he mostly looked like a decent passer who acted rather reactionary out of his created advantages, than someone who really dissected the defense with manipulations and skip passes. However, he had a fair share of look-aways that, at least in this example, manipulated the two weak side guys enough to open a layup pass.

The before mentioned set play again here. An option for the described layup pass was there, but Vide decided otherwise, this time gain. I would’ve liked to see him find the open guy under the rim on one of the two occasions he was open here.

There needs to be a bit more balancing in terms of searching for his own shot and passing. I thought he passed at the moment he actually does a retreat dribble. I would expect him to iron those out at club level, because the Real Madrid youth teams are loaded with talent and I would expect the coaches to intervene a bit more than in international level where he carried the team mostly by himself.

Nice advantage extension here from him. I don’t mind the jump pass in this situation because it was pretty obvious the defender would leave the ground or at least heavily react to Vide.

Very good timed bounce pass to the roll man here. The spacing was very much off, but it was a good hockey assist action to get the defense moving and opening a shot later in the possession.

Small, subtle inside pass here. He missed the first pass here, maybe because he was concerned about the second defender coming.

The in ‘n’ out was enough to get the defender leaning and open the space to attack the corner defender here, who helps one pass away – quite open three. He had the opportunity of the pass inside as soon #9 leaves his man.

Ideal leverage of his gravity from floater range. Was able to change the shot, into a pass midair to hit the open man.

I like the choice he made here between the open shooter and the guy in the dunker spot. His middle drive commits the big to him and opens the passing lane. A typical scoring leverage read.

Another possession with the before mentioned set play with even a more different result. The inside pass was relatively open, but he quickly saw the corner defender commit inside. I like the high velocity overhead pass to the corner in this case because there aren’t many defenders, especially on this level, who are able to cover so much ground.

At times, he was a bit stagnant with his own off ball movement, but in some cases he performed great hand-offs and cuts, like in this case.

Remaining Questions

With a player being this good in like age competitions, there are still some bigger question marks.

* How good will he translate to the pros, or even the Real Madrid youth team, which is loaded with talent? At this point, I’m not sure how scalable his skill set is too other on ball players.

* How good is the shot? There is a lot to like about his willingness to shoot it and his general touch indicators, but there are some mechanical questions about him becoming an excellent shooter (as explained in the shooting segment).

* How good is his passing/play making for others? Looking at this tournament alone, he is strongly wired as a scorer first and foremost and has to find a balance between setting up himself and his teammates. It’s difficult to judge how good he is as a playmaker for others, because he always had the full defensive attention and constantly draw multiple defenders, which opens up passing lanes all by itself.

* Will his advantage creation hold up? Currently, his advantage creation is mostly based on complexity. Even many of his rim attempts are of a higher level of difficult than you would like to see normally. There are exceptions to the rule in terms of difficult creation tasks, but most of the time young players have a difficult time relying on difficult shots to succeed going up in the levels. As said before, Vide still has time, but I wouldn’t expect him to replicate this kind of usage and shooting diet throughout his career.

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